Justin and Jason discuss Peldi's success with Balsamiq, the site Indie Hackers, the book Crossing the Chasm, Justin's launch strategy for his secret project, how Justin got help with his "maths", the advantage of growing slowly and focusing on developing a product that your users love, the summer Math Academy course that Jason is teaching on proofs and group theory, Justin's desire to encourage entrepreneurship in any company he starts, and tradeoffs in database design.

Justin and Jason discuss Jason's elbow surgery, Justin's secret project, the deal he made with his wife, why he's patenting the technology, and how he ended up building it himself, Gabriel Weinberg's new book, a postmortem on SOLVE 2019, the growth of MV Code Club, the movie The Founder, and Jason's automated-trading project.

Justin and Jason discuss Jason's new puppy, when "quick and dirty" works and when it doesn't, the latest with Math Academy, the transition from a subject-based to a course-based approach to content development, how Jason works with his remote developer, "The Math Academy Way", fun and profit with 3D printing, Jason's frustrations with trying to capture real-time crypto data, how to automatically and instantaneously restart a crashed Linux process, and the frustration of having to continually relearn Linux administration.

Justin and Jason discuss Sean Murphy's extension to the Luck Surface Area, Gabriel Weinberg's mental models, Uber’s impending IPO, how Jason is adopting a dog, the book Justin is writing called Founder First, the endemic nature of overengineering, the latest with the Math Academy program and software, why Jason is dabbling with cryptocurrency HFT, Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead, and Justin's former life as a musician.

Justin and Jason discuss how injuries have derailed Operation Superhero and Jason's strategy for moving forward with the Math Academy online system. 

Justin talks with Bryan Helmig (CTO and co-founder of Zapier) about Zapier's genesis and how they won their first 10 customers.

Jason talks to NASA Research Scientist Laura Kerber.

Justin and Jason discuss the prerequisite viewer that Jason's building for Math Academy, Rob Walling's Tiny Seed, Chamath Palihapitiya's advice to grow slow and to grow real, why Jason's latest hire on Upwork didn't work out, Justin's Nugget webinar and why he's no longer going to employ squeeze marketing, how Jason is back writing code again and loving it, Math Academy's high-school curriculum and overall program, late bloomers, and nature vs. nurture as it relates to mathematics and mathematical talent.

Justin and Jason discuss Justin's tendency to argue with himself about code, the strategy board game that Jason and Colby are building together, the JS 13K Game challenge, Jason's advice on how to find inexpensive talent on Upwork and how Justin might include these ideas on Nugget, how parents think about after-school coding programs, the Hacker News post asking startup employees how much they made on an exit, the funded vs. the bootstrapped startup model and Jason's plans for Math Academy, the latest on Operation Superhero and the unreasonable effectiveness of strength training.